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		<title>Comment on Global warming does not slow down by El Niño</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 05:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul,
thanks for bringing this to our attention. I was not aware of this 12-part epic saga against dendroclimatology. What did you think of it?
Best,
Julien]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,<br />
thanks for bringing this to our attention. I was not aware of this 12-part epic saga against dendroclimatology. What did you think of it?<br />
Best,<br />
Julien</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global warming does not slow down by Paul S</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 13:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julien,

This is OT but I wanted to ask if either Kevin or yourself have seen/have any thoughts on Jim Bouldin&#039;s work described in a series of posts on &lt;a href=&quot;http://ecologicallyoriented.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;his blog&lt;/a&gt;, titled &#039;Severe analytical problems in dendroclimatology&#039;. This is &lt;a href=&quot;http://ecologicallyoriented.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/severe-analytical-problems-in-dendroclimatology-part-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part one&lt;/a&gt;, there are &lt;a href=&quot;http://ecologicallyoriented.wordpress.com/?s=Severe+analytical+problems+in+dendroclimatology&amp;submit=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eleven further parts&lt;/a&gt;.

It would be good to get the perspective of some dendrochronologists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julien,</p>
<p>This is OT but I wanted to ask if either Kevin or yourself have seen/have any thoughts on Jim Bouldin&#8217;s work described in a series of posts on <a href="http://ecologicallyoriented.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">his blog</a>, titled &#8216;Severe analytical problems in dendroclimatology&#8217;. This is <a href="http://ecologicallyoriented.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/severe-analytical-problems-in-dendroclimatology-part-1/" rel="nofollow">part one</a>, there are <a href="http://ecologicallyoriented.wordpress.com/?s=Severe+analytical+problems+in+dendroclimatology&amp;submit=Search" rel="nofollow">eleven further parts</a>.</p>
<p>It would be good to get the perspective of some dendrochronologists.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global warming does not slow down by El Niño</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Niño]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Tacker,
thank you for your educated comment. 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;does this movement of heat into the deep ocean challenge the existing models of ocean heat transport? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

THe Meehl et al 2011 paper quoted above shows that, in their model at least, periods of increased ocean uptake are ultimately followed by periods of reduced uptake. So the joules getting into the Earth System maybe increasing year by year, but their ultimate fate into the climate subsystems (ocean, atmosphere, ice, etc) is more variable. In the end, however, the whole climate system warms, to conserve energy. The current hiatus is perfectly compatible with the behavior of such a model (and possibly other IPCC-class climate models). 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Might we be fortunate enough to see more heat whisked down into the blackest waters, not of course gone but less of an immediate problem than the joules stuck on the surface?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that&#039;s what&#039;s going on. It might continue for a little while, until something gives and surface warming catches up with the top-of-atmosphere energy imbalance. The heart of the problem here is that we&#039;re trying to judge long-term climate sensitivity from very transient variations. It could be that the warming rate was extremely high in the nineties, extremely low in the oughts, and that has fueled extreme perspectives on either side (the alarmists vs the denialists). But until CO2 concentrations stop rising exponentially, I&#039;ll see little reason to doubt that higher rates of warming will eventually return.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tacker,<br />
thank you for your educated comment. </p>
<blockquote><p>does this movement of heat into the deep ocean challenge the existing models of ocean heat transport? </p></blockquote>
<p>THe Meehl et al 2011 paper quoted above shows that, in their model at least, periods of increased ocean uptake are ultimately followed by periods of reduced uptake. So the joules getting into the Earth System maybe increasing year by year, but their ultimate fate into the climate subsystems (ocean, atmosphere, ice, etc) is more variable. In the end, however, the whole climate system warms, to conserve energy. The current hiatus is perfectly compatible with the behavior of such a model (and possibly other IPCC-class climate models). </p>
<blockquote><p>Might we be fortunate enough to see more heat whisked down into the blackest waters, not of course gone but less of an immediate problem than the joules stuck on the surface?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on. It might continue for a little while, until something gives and surface warming catches up with the top-of-atmosphere energy imbalance. The heart of the problem here is that we&#8217;re trying to judge long-term climate sensitivity from very transient variations. It could be that the warming rate was extremely high in the nineties, extremely low in the oughts, and that has fueled extreme perspectives on either side (the alarmists vs the denialists). But until CO2 concentrations stop rising exponentially, I&#8217;ll see little reason to doubt that higher rates of warming will eventually return.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global warming does not slow down by TheTracker (@IdiotTracker)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheTracker (@IdiotTracker)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Economist is a good rag, but this wasn&#039;t their finest hour.

I absolutely agree with you (see here: http://theidiottracker.blogspot.com/2013/04/attack-of-pause.html) but I do wonder; does this movement of heat into the deep ocean challenge the existing models of ocean heat transport? Might we be fortunate enough to see more heat whisked down into the blackest waters, not of course gone but less of an immediate problem than the joules stuck on the surface?

I don&#039;t know, I wonder about it. Thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Economist is a good rag, but this wasn&#8217;t their finest hour.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree with you (see here: <a href="http://theidiottracker.blogspot.com/2013/04/attack-of-pause.html" rel="nofollow">http://theidiottracker.blogspot.com/2013/04/attack-of-pause.html</a>) but I do wonder; does this movement of heat into the deep ocean challenge the existing models of ocean heat transport? Might we be fortunate enough to see more heat whisked down into the blackest waters, not of course gone but less of an immediate problem than the joules stuck on the surface?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, I wonder about it. Thoughts?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Niño]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Markus. I did see a very similar story on some no-name site, which probably just relayed the Reuters feed. It&#039;s written far less neutrally than a news wire is supposed to report on issues, especially for a science topic. Fishy indeed...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Markus. I did see a very similar story on some no-name site, which probably just relayed the Reuters feed. It&#8217;s written far less neutrally than a news wire is supposed to report on issues, especially for a science topic. Fishy indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reuters has published a very similar article, could you have a look at that?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-climate-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416

It smells extremely fishy, especially as they give no sources at all. My guess is that they took the story from the Economist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reuters has published a very similar article, could you have a look at that?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-climate-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-climate-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416</a></p>
<p>It smells extremely fishy, especially as they give no sources at all. My guess is that they took the story from the Economist.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Niño]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to take The Economist as your authority on climate science, should I take Journal of Climate as my authority on economics?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to take The Economist as your authority on climate science, should I take Journal of Climate as my authority on economics?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global warming does not slow down by klem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[klem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;more CO2 means a warmer climate system as a whole, and sooner rather than later. &quot;

That&#039;s not what the Economist said, as you wrote above &quot;I read the piece Global Warming: apocalypse perhaps a little later. It argued that since some recent estimates of climate sensitivity have been revised downward, the world might not scorch as early as we once thought.&quot; 

So it appears the Economist does not agree with you. I believe the Economist. Thanks.

cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;more CO2 means a warmer climate system as a whole, and sooner rather than later. &#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what the Economist said, as you wrote above &#8220;I read the piece Global Warming: apocalypse perhaps a little later. It argued that since some recent estimates of climate sensitivity have been revised downward, the world might not scorch as early as we once thought.&#8221; </p>
<p>So it appears the Economist does not agree with you. I believe the Economist. Thanks.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>Comment on New England Hurricanes, the forecast every time by El Niño</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Niño]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speculation is your absolute right, my friend, though most people choose to exercise it with less vehemence. With more rigorous approaches comes the privilege to assert your point without yelling it. 
It is entirely possible that Sandy was a one in a 10,000 storms, but your argument does little to convince a healthily skeptic reader that it is the case. You are, however, perfectly entitled to that opinion.
Over and out,
J.E.G]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speculation is your absolute right, my friend, though most people choose to exercise it with less vehemence. With more rigorous approaches comes the privilege to assert your point without yelling it.<br />
It is entirely possible that Sandy was a one in a 10,000 storms, but your argument does little to convince a healthily skeptic reader that it is the case. You are, however, perfectly entitled to that opinion.<br />
Over and out,<br />
J.E.G</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Dodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Different from ? Are we comparing this year to the last one, 10 years ago, or 1850?&quot; 
Yes. Take your pick; human fossil CO2 emissions, and other human land use changes have been perturbing the weather since the advent of agriculture. Land clearing changes the balance of stored carbon, changes the amount, timing, and intensity of runoff; irrigation changes the amount, timing, and spatial distribution of evapotranspiration (and rainfall). Some of those human caused changes simply move energy already in the system around, just like butterflies, or ENSO. Increases in GHGs increase the solar energy retained in the system, and push the weather in one direction - warmer, less ice, higher humidity, lower tropical/polar gradient. Higher temperatures and melting ice are signals that have unequivocally emerged from the noise. One mistake Judith Curry makes is conflating uncertainty in &quot;how much&quot; with &quot;which direction&quot;; the question isn&#039;t whether the Arctic will become ice free, but when. The uncertainty now isn&#039;t whether low Arctic sea ice will cause larger, slower Rossby waves and blocking highs which will push storms ashore in the Northeast, but how often - &quot;when&quot; has already been answered - Oct 29.

&quot;...simulating one exactly like Sandy would be impossible unless we had perfect models and perfect observations (we don’t).&quot; 
The models we do have are good enough to show the butterfly effect, and better models won&#039;t make it go away. My presumption was WHAT IF we have an (imperfect) model and observations, imperfect but still good enough to predict Sandy a month and a half prior; a model this good would show that the perturbations in water temperature and Arctic sea ice due to AGW made Sandy what it was, and if those observed perturbations hadn&#039;t happened, Sandy wouldn&#039;t have occurred. Arguing that the increase in retained energy from GHGs magically got sequestered somewhere, and some other internal variable source of energy melted the sea ice and warmed the Atlantic is as silly as the argument that human fossil fuel CO2 emissions disappear magically and an unknown source proportionately adds &quot;natural&quot; CO2 to the atmosphere.

&quot;....one storm won’t do it:&quot; 
And one bad roll of the dice won&#039;t prove they&#039;re loaded either. But if you know the weight, dimensions, center of gravity, and have film of the dice rolling to snake eyes, you know. And we don&#039;t have just one storm - we have the storm track, diameter, water temperatures, evolution of central pressure, characteristics of adjacent ridges and troughs, observations of changes in Rossby waves because of sea ice melt, increased humidity from AGW, and a bunch of other 3,4,5 sigma events which are becoming 2,3,4 sigma events.

&quot;...how did you compute those probabilities?&quot;
I looked for storms with similar unusual tracks like Sandy that started or made landfall near Sandy&#039;s at  http://csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/#, and came up with 1-3 (depending on parameters) in &gt;120 storms. There are 5-10 tropical Atlantic cyclones per year since 1900, e.g. 500 to 1000 storms. I&#039;ve seen a lot of expert comment along the lines of &quot;unusually low barometric pressure for a storm with no eye&quot; and &quot;unprecedented storm diameter&quot;; nobody&#039;s saying &quot;this happens all the time&quot;, so my SWAG is that the probabilities of those characteristics I listed are small, smaller than 1 in 10, probably nearer 1 in 100. Allowing for Dunning-Kruger and confirmation bias on my part leads to a generous probability of 1 in 10 for each, or 1 in 10000 aggregate - but maybe this was a one in a million storm absent AGW effects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Different from ? Are we comparing this year to the last one, 10 years ago, or 1850?&#8221;<br />
Yes. Take your pick; human fossil CO2 emissions, and other human land use changes have been perturbing the weather since the advent of agriculture. Land clearing changes the balance of stored carbon, changes the amount, timing, and intensity of runoff; irrigation changes the amount, timing, and spatial distribution of evapotranspiration (and rainfall). Some of those human caused changes simply move energy already in the system around, just like butterflies, or ENSO. Increases in GHGs increase the solar energy retained in the system, and push the weather in one direction &#8211; warmer, less ice, higher humidity, lower tropical/polar gradient. Higher temperatures and melting ice are signals that have unequivocally emerged from the noise. One mistake Judith Curry makes is conflating uncertainty in &#8220;how much&#8221; with &#8220;which direction&#8221;; the question isn&#8217;t whether the Arctic will become ice free, but when. The uncertainty now isn&#8217;t whether low Arctic sea ice will cause larger, slower Rossby waves and blocking highs which will push storms ashore in the Northeast, but how often &#8211; &#8220;when&#8221; has already been answered &#8211; Oct 29.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;simulating one exactly like Sandy would be impossible unless we had perfect models and perfect observations (we don’t).&#8221;<br />
The models we do have are good enough to show the butterfly effect, and better models won&#8217;t make it go away. My presumption was WHAT IF we have an (imperfect) model and observations, imperfect but still good enough to predict Sandy a month and a half prior; a model this good would show that the perturbations in water temperature and Arctic sea ice due to AGW made Sandy what it was, and if those observed perturbations hadn&#8217;t happened, Sandy wouldn&#8217;t have occurred. Arguing that the increase in retained energy from GHGs magically got sequestered somewhere, and some other internal variable source of energy melted the sea ice and warmed the Atlantic is as silly as the argument that human fossil fuel CO2 emissions disappear magically and an unknown source proportionately adds &#8220;natural&#8221; CO2 to the atmosphere.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.one storm won’t do it:&#8221;<br />
And one bad roll of the dice won&#8217;t prove they&#8217;re loaded either. But if you know the weight, dimensions, center of gravity, and have film of the dice rolling to snake eyes, you know. And we don&#8217;t have just one storm &#8211; we have the storm track, diameter, water temperatures, evolution of central pressure, characteristics of adjacent ridges and troughs, observations of changes in Rossby waves because of sea ice melt, increased humidity from AGW, and a bunch of other 3,4,5 sigma events which are becoming 2,3,4 sigma events.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;how did you compute those probabilities?&#8221;<br />
I looked for storms with similar unusual tracks like Sandy that started or made landfall near Sandy&#8217;s at  <a href="http://csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/#" rel="nofollow">http://csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/#</a>, and came up with 1-3 (depending on parameters) in &gt;120 storms. There are 5-10 tropical Atlantic cyclones per year since 1900, e.g. 500 to 1000 storms. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of expert comment along the lines of &#8220;unusually low barometric pressure for a storm with no eye&#8221; and &#8220;unprecedented storm diameter&#8221;; nobody&#8217;s saying &#8220;this happens all the time&#8221;, so my SWAG is that the probabilities of those characteristics I listed are small, smaller than 1 in 10, probably nearer 1 in 100. Allowing for Dunning-Kruger and confirmation bias on my part leads to a generous probability of 1 in 10 for each, or 1 in 10000 aggregate &#8211; but maybe this was a one in a million storm absent AGW effects.</p>
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